standards, and refusing to fall back from them; asking the most of oneself, even when accepting the
least would hardly be noticed (perhaps, especially then). A sports hero of the first magnitude, a
hero on the battlefield under fire, and a life hero who has never wavered in his commit-ment to
excel, no matter how much work it took to do that.
Jimmy Carter...who courageously insists on playing interna-tional politics by not playing politics,
but coming from his heart, and from what he knows under the Highest Law is right. A breath of air so
fresh, this stale world has hardly known what to do with it.
Shirley MacLaine...who has demonstrated that intellect and entertainment are not mutually exclusive;
that we can rise above the base and the banal and the lowest common denomi-nator. She insists that
we can talk about larger things as well as small; heavier things as well as light; deeper things as
well as shallow. She’s struggling to raise the level of our discourse, and so, of our
consciousness; to use constructively her enormous influence on the marketplace of ideas.
Oprah Winfrey...who is doing exactly the same.
Steven Spielberg...who is doing exactly the same.
George Lucas...who is doing exactly the same.
Ron Howard...who is doing exactly the same.
Hugh Downs...who is doing exactly the same.
And Gene Roddenberry...whose Spirit can hear this now, and is smiling...because he led the way in so
much of this; took the gamble; stepped to the edge; went, in truth, where no one had gone before.
These people are treasures, as are we all. Unlike some of us, however, they have chosen to give from
their treasury of Self on a massive scale; to put themselves out there in a huge way; to risk all of
it, to lose their privacy and throw their personal world into upheaval forever, in order to give of
who they truly are. They have not even known whether the gift they had to give would be received.
Still, they gave it.
I acknowledge them for that. Thank you all. My life has been made richer by you.
Part 2 Introduction
This is an extraordinary document.
It is a message from God, and in it God suggests a social, sexual, educational, political, economic
and theological revo-lution on this planet the likes of which we have never seen, and seldom
That suggestion is made within the context of our own stated desires as the planet’s
inhabitants. We have said that we choose to create a better life for all, to elevate our
consciousness, to seek a newer world. God will not condemn us no matter what we choose, but if we
choose this, He is willing to show us the way. She will not force us, however, to take Her
suggestions. Not now, not ever.
I find the words in this book at once captivating, disturbing, challenging, uplifting. They are
captivating in that they catch my breath with the scope and sweep of their reach. They are
disturbing in that they show me to myself—and the human race to me—in a way which is
very unsettling. They are challenging in that they put the dare to me as no one and nothing ever has
before. The dare to be better, the dare to be bigger than I have been, the dare to be the Source of
a world in which anger, petty jealousy, sexual dysfunction, economic inequity, educational
tomfoolery, social inequality and political secrecy, chicaneries and power plays are never again
part of the human experience. They are uplifting in that they hold out the hope that all this is
Can we really build such a world? God says yes, and that all it takes is for us to really choose to
This book is an actual dialogue with God. It is the second in a series of three books capturing a
conversation with Deity which has lasted well over five years—and continues to this very day.
You may not believe that this material has actually come from God, and I have no need for you to.
What is important to me is only whether the material itself has any value, brings any insight,
produces any awakening, sparks any renewed desire, or promotes any fruitful change in our day-to-day
life on Earth. God knows, something has to change. We can’t keep going on as we have been.
The Conversations with God trilogy began when Book 1 of this series was released in May of 1995.
That book dealt with mainly personal concerns, and changed my life. It changed a lot of lives.
Within weeks it became an astonishingly fast seller, with distribution reaching amazing levels. By
the end of its first year it was selling 12,000 copies a month, and rising. Of course, the
“author” of the book was hardly unknown. And that is what has made the document so
intriguing, and so powerful.
I have been deeply grateful to be part of this process, the process by which some great truths are
being remembered once again by thousands of people. I am personally pleased and very happy that so
many have found value in the work.
I want you to know that at first I was downright scared. It occurred to me that others might think I
was crazy, suffering delusions of grandeur. Or that, if they did believe the material to have been
inspired by God, they would then actually follow the advice. And why was I afraid of this? Simple. I
knew that everything I had written could be wrong.
Then the letters began arriving. Letters from people all over the world. And then I knew. Deep
inside, I knew. This was right. This was exactly what the world needed to hear, at exactly the right
(Of course, there is no “right” and “wrong,” except within the relative
experience of our existence. So, what I know myself to mean is that the book is “right
on,” given who and what we say on this planet we want to be.)
Now along comes Book 2, and I notice I’ve gone into fear all over again. This book deals with
larger aspects of our individual lives, as well as geophysical and geopolitical consid-erations of
worldwide implication. As such, this volume will contain, I suspect, much more with which the
average reader may disagree. And so, I’m afraid. I’m afraid you won’t like what
you read here. I’m afraid that you’ll make me “wrong” for some of it.
I’m afraid that I will stir up a hornet’s nest, kick up a storm, make waves. And, once
more, I’m afraid that everything here could be wrong.
Certainly I should know better than to have these fears. After all, hadn’t I read my own first
book? Well, there you have it. My humanness again. You see, it is not my goal in making these
transcriptions public to shake people up. I wish only to honestly and forthrightly pass on to you
what God has communicated to me, in answer to my questions. I promised God I would do
that—make public these conversations—and I can’t break that promise.
You can’t break your promise, either. Obviously you have made a promise to allow all of your
thoughts, ideas and beliefs to be continually challenged. Clearly, you have made a deep com-mitment
to continually grow. Only a person with such a commit-ment would pick up a book like this.
So, it seems, we are in this together. And there’s nothing to fear. We are what we are, and we
do what we do as a result of that, and all we have to do is stay true to that and there’s
nothing to fear. What I now see that I guess I’ve known all along is that we are messengers,
you and I. If we weren’t, I wouldn’t be writing this, and you certainly wouldn’t
be reading it. We’re messengers, and we have work to do. First, we have to make sure we
clearly understand the message we’ve been given in the CWG books. Second, we have to integrate
that message into our lives so that it becomes functional. And third, we have to carry that message
to others, bringing its truth to all those whose lives we touch, by the simple and exquisite device
of our example.
I’m glad you’ve chosen to take this journey with me. It’s much easier, and much
more fun, with you than without you. Let’s walk together now through these pages. It could be
a little uncomfortable now and then. Not like Book 1. Book I was God’s embrace; a big, warm
hug around the shoulders. Book 2 is God’s equally loving, but more gently jarring shake of
those shoulders. A wake-up call. A challenge to move to the next level.
There always is a next level, you know. Your soul— which came here for the richest experience,
not the poorest; the most, not the least—would like you not to rest. And while the choice is
always yours, your soul would have it that you never become complacent or self satisfied, and
certainly never sink into apathy. For there’s too much to change in your world, too much left
of yourself for you to create. Always there’s a new mountain to climb, a new frontier to
explore, a new fear to conquer. Always there’s a grander place, a larger concept, a greater
So this book may be a bit more uncomfortable than Book 1. Stay with the discomfort if and when you
feel it. Hold onto the boat if it begins to rock. Then live within a new paradigm. Better yet,
through the wonder and the example of your own life lived, help to create one.
Neale Donald Walsch
Part 2 Chapter 1
Thank you for coming. Thank you for being here.
You are here by appointment, true; but still, you could have failed to show up. You could have
decided not to. You chose instead to be here, at the appointed hour, at the appointed place, for
this book to come into your hands. So thank you.
Now if you have done all this subconsciously, without even knowing what you were doing or why, some
of this may be a mystery to you, and a little explaining may be in order.
Let’s start by causing you to notice that this book has arrived in your life at the right and
perfect time. You may not know that now, but when you finish with the experience that is in store
for you, you will know it absolutely. Everything happens in perfect order, and the arrival of this
book in your life is no exception.
What you have here is that for which you have been looking, that for which you have been yearning,
for a very long time. What you have here is your latest—and for some of you perhaps your
first—very real contact with God.
This is a contact, and it is very real.
God is going to have an actual conversation with you now, through me. I wouldn’t have said
this a few years ago; I’m saying it now because I’ve already had such a dialogue and I
therefore know that such a thing is possible. Not only is it possible, it is happening all the time.
Just as this is happening, right here, right now.
What is important for you to understand is that you, in part, have caused this to happen, just as
you have caused this book to be in your hands at this moment. We are all at cause in creating the
events of our lives, and we are all co-creators with the One Great Creator in producing each of the
circumstances leading up to those events.
My first experience of talking to God on your behalf occurred in 1992-93. I had written an angry
letter to God, asking why my life had become such a monument to struggle and failure. In everything
from my romantic relationships to my life work to my interactions with my children to my
health—in everything—I was experiencing nothing but struggle and failure. My letter to
God demanded to know why—and what it took to make life work.
To my astonishment, that letter was answered.
How it was answered, and what those answers were, be-came a book, published in May 1995 under the
title Conversa-tions with God, Book 1. Perhaps you’ve heard of it or maybe have even read it.
If so, you do not need any further preamble to this book.
If you are not familiar with the first book, I hope you soon will be, because Book 1 outlines in
much greater detail how all of this began and answers many questions about our personal
lives—questions about money, love, sex, God, health and sickness, eating, relationships,
“right work,” and many other aspects of our day-to-day experience—which are not
If there is one gift I would ask God to give to the world at this time, it would be the information
in Book 1. True to form (“Even before you ask, I will have answered.”), God has already
So I hope that, after reading this book (or maybe even before you finish it), you will choose to
read the first. It’s all a matter of choice, just as Pure Choice brought you to these words
right now. Just as Pure Choice has created every experience you ever had. (A concept that is
explained in that first book.)
These first paragraphs of Book 2 were written in March 1996, to provide a brief introduction to
the information which follows. As in Book 1, the process by which this information
“arrived” was exquisitely simple. On a blank sheet of paper, I would merely write a
question—any question.., usually, the first question that came to my head—and no sooner
was the question written than the answer would form in my head, as if Someone were whispering in my
ear. I was taking dictation!
With the exception of these few opening lines, all the material in this book was placed on paper
between Spring 1993 and a little over one year later. I’d like to present it to you now, just
as it came from me and was given to me...
It is Easter Sunday 1993, and—as instructed—I am here. I am here, pencil in
hand, writing pad before me, ready to begin.
I suppose I should tell you God asked me to be here. We had a date. We’re to
begin—today—Book 2, the second in a trilogy which God and I and you are experiencing
I have no idea yet what this book is going to say, or even the specific subjects that we’ll
touch upon. That’s because there is no plan for this book in my head. There can’t be.
I’m not the one deciding what’s going to go into it. God is.
On Easter Sunday 1992—one year ago today—God began a dialogue with me. I know that
sounds ridiculous, but it’s what happened. Not long ago, that dialogue ended. I was given
instructions to take a rest . . .. but told also that I had a “date” to return to this
conversation this day.
You have a date, too. You’re keeping it right now. I am clear that this book is being written
not only to me, but to you through me. Apparently you’ve been looking for God—and for
Word from God—for a very long time. So have I.
Today we shall find God together. That is always the best way to find God. Together. We shall
never find God apart. I mean that two ways. I mean we shall never find God so long as we are apart.
For the first step in finding that we are not apart from God is finding that we are not apart from
each other, and until we know and realize that all of us are One, we cannot know and realize that we
and God are One.
God is not apart from us, ever, and we only think we are apart from God.
It’s a common error. We also think we’re apart from each other. And so the fastest way
to “find God,” I’ve discovered, is to find each other. To stop hiding out from
each other. And, of course, to stop hiding out from ourselves.
The fastest way to stop hiding out is to tell the truth. To everyone. All the time.
Start telling the truth now, and never stop. Begin by telling the truth to yourself about yourself.
Then tell the truth to yourself about another. Then tell the truth about yourself to another. Then
tell the truth about another to that other. Finally, tell the truth to everyone about everything.
These are the Five Levels of Truth Telling. This is the five-fold path to freedom. The truth shall
set you free.
This book is about truth. Not my truth, God’s truth.
Our initial dialogue—God’s and mine—was concluded just a month ago. I assume this
one will go just like the first. That is, I ask questions and God answers. I guess I’ll stop,
and ask God right now.
God—is this how it’s going to go?
I thought so.
Except that in this book I’ll bring some subjects up Myself, without you asking. I
didn’t do much of that in the first book, as you know.
Yes. Why are You adding that twist here?
Because this book is being written at My request. I asked you here—as you’ve pointed
out. The first book was a project you started by yourself.
With the first book you had an agenda. With this book you have no agenda, except to do My Will.
Yes. That’s correct.
That, Neale, is a very good place to be. I hope you—and others—will go to that place
But I thought Your Will was my will. How can I not do Your Will if it’s the same as mine?
That is an intricate question—and not a bad place to start; not a bad place at all for us to
begin this dialogue.
Let’s go back a few paces. I have never said that My Will was your will.
Yes, You have! In the last book, You said to me very clearly:
“Your will is My Will.”
Indeed—but that is not the same thing.
It’s not? You could have fooled me.
When I say “Your will is My Will,” that is not the same thing as saying My Will is
If you did My Will all the time, there would be nothing more for you to do to achieve Enlightenment.
The process would be over. You would be already there.
One day of doing nothing but My Will would bring you Enlightenment. If you had been doing My Will
all the years you’ve been alive, you’d hardly need to be involved in this book right
So it’s clear you have not been doing My Will. In fact, most of the time you don’t even
know My Will.
No, you don’t.
Then why don’t You tell me what it is?
I do. You just don’t listen. And when you do listen, you don’t really hear. And when
you do hear, you don’t believe what you’re hearing. And when you do believe what
you’re hearing, you don’t follow instructions any-way.
So to say that My Will is your will is demonstrably inaccurate.
On the other hand, your will is My Will. First, because I know it. Second, because I accept it.
Third, because I praise it. Fourth, because I love it. Fifth, because I own it and call it My Own.
This means you have free will to do as you wish—and that I make your will Mine, through uncon
Now for My Will to be yours, you would have to do the same.
First, you would have to know it. Second, you would have to accept it. Third, you would have to
praise it. Fourth, you would have to love it. Finally, you would have to call it your own.
In the whole history of your race, only a few of you have ever done this consistently. A handful of
others have done it nearly always. Many have done it a great deal. A whole slew of people have done
it from time to time. And virtually everyone has done it on rare occa-sion—although some have
never done it at all.
Which category am I in?
Does it matter? Which category do you want to be in from now on? Isn’t that the pertinent
And your answer?
I’d like to be in the first category. I’d like to know and do Your Will all the time.
That’s laudable, commendable, and probably im-possible.
Because you have far too much growing to do before you can claim that. Yet I tell you this: You
could claim that, you could move to Godhood, this instant if you chose to. Your growth need not take
so much time.
Then why has it taken so much time?
Indeed. Why has it? What are you waiting for? Surely you don’t believe it is I holding you
No. I’m clear that I’m holding myself back.
Good. Clarity is the first step to mastery.
I’d like to get to mastery. How can I do that?
Keep reading this book. That’s exactly where I’m taking you.
Part 2 Chapter 2
I’m not sure I know where this book is going. I’m not sure where to begin.
Let’s take time.
How much time do we need to take? It’s already taken me five months to get from the first
chapter to this. I know that people read this and think it’s all put down in one even,
uninterrupted flow. They don’t realize that 20 weeks separated the 32nd and 33rd paragraph of
this book. They don’t under-stand that sometimes the moments of inspiration are half a year
apart. How much time do we have to take?
That’s not what I meant. I mean, let’s take “Time” as our first subject,
as a place to begin.
Oh. Okay. But while we’re on the subject, why does it take months sometimes to complete a
simple paragraph? Why are You so long between visits?
My dear and wonderful son, I am not long between “visits.” I am never not with you.
You are simply not always aware.
Why? Why am I not aware of You if You’re always here?
Because your life gets caught up in other things. Let’s face it; you’ve had a pretty
busy five months.
I have. Yes, I have. A lot’s been going on.
And you’ve made these things more important than Me.
That doesn’t feel like my truth.
I invite you to look at your actions. You’ve been deeply involved in your physical life.
You’ve paid very little attention to your soul.
It’s been a challenging period.
Yes. All the more reason to have included your soul in the process. These past months would have
all gone much more smoothly with My help. So may I suggest that you don’t lose contact?
I try to stay close, but I seem to get lost—caught up, as You put it—in my own drama.
And then, somehow, I don’t find time for You. I don’t meditate. I don’t pray. And
I certainly don’t write.
I know. It’s an irony of life that when you need our connection the most, you step away from
How can I stop doing that?
Stop doing that.
That’s what I just said. But how?
You stop doing that by stopping doing that.
It’s not that simple.
It is that simple.
I wish it were.
Then it really will be, because what you wish is My command. Remember, My cherished one, your
desires are My desires. Your will is My Will.
All right. Okay. Then I wish for this book to be finished by March. It’s October now. I
wish for no more five-month gaps in the material coming.
So will it be.
Unless it’s not.
Oh, man. Do we have to play these games?
No. But so far that’s how you’ve decided to live your Life. You keep changing your
mind. Remember, life is an ongoing process of creation. You are creating your reality every minute.
The decision you make today is often not the choice you make tomorrow. Yet here is a secret of all
Masters: keep choosing the same thing.
Over and over again? Once is not enough?
Over and over until your will is made manifest in your reality.
For some that could take years. For some, months. For others, weeks. For those approaching mastery,
days, hours, or even minutes. For Masters, creation is instantaneous.
You can tell you are on your way to mastery when you see the gap closing between Willing and Experi
You said, “The decision you make today is often not the choice you make tomorrow.” So
what? Are You saying we should never indulge in a change of mind?
Change your mind all you want. Yet remember that with each change of mind comes a change in the
direction of the whole universe.
When you “make up your mind” about something, you set the universe into motion. Forces
beyond your ability to comprehend—far more subtle and complex than you could imagine—are
engaged in a process, the intricate dynamics of which you are only just now beginning to understand.
These forces and this process are all part of the extraordinary web of interactive energies which
com-prise the entirety of existence which you call life itself.
They are, in essence, Me.
So when I change my mind I’m making it difficult for You, is that it?
Nothing is difficult for Me—but you might be mak-ing things very difficult for yourself.
Therefore, be of one mind and of single purpose about a thing. And don’t take your mind off of
it until you have produced it in reality. Keep focused. Stay centered.
This is what is meant by being single-minded. If you choose something, choose it with all your
might, with all your heart. Don’t be faint-hearted. Keep going! Keep moving toward it. Be
Don’t take no for an answer.
But what if no is the right answer? What if what we want is not for us—not for our own good,
not in our best interests? Then you won’t give it to us, right?
Wrong. I will “give” you whatever you call forth, whether it’s
“good” for you or “bad” for you. Have you looked at your life lately?
But I’ve been taught that we can’t always have what we desire—that God
won’t give it to us if it’s not for our highest good.
That’s something people tell you when they want you not to be disappointed with a particular
First of all, let’s move back to clarity about our relationship. I don’t
“give” you anything—you call it forth. Book 1 explains exactly how you do this, in
Secondly, I don’t make a judgment about what you call forth. I don’t call a thing
“good” or “bad.” (You, too, would do well to not do so.)
You are a creative being—made in the image and likeness of God. You may have whatever you
choose. But you may not have anything you want. In fact, you’ll never get anything you want if
you want it badly enough.
I know. You explained that in Book 1 as well. You said that the act of wanting a thing pushes it
away from us.
Yes, and do you remember why?
Because thoughts are creative, and the thought of wanting a thing is a statement to the
universe—a declaration of a truth—which the universe then produces in my reality.
Precisely! Exactly! You have learned. You do under-stand. That’s great.
Yes, that’s how it works. The moment you say “I want” something, the universe says
“Indeed you do” and gives you that precise experience—the experience of
Whatever you put after the word “I” becomes your creative command. The genie in the
bottle—which I Am—exists but to obey.
I produce what you call forth! You call forth precisely what you think, feel, and say. It’s as
simple as that.
So tell me again—why does it take so much time for me to create the reality I choose?
For a number of reasons. Because you do not be-lieve you can have what you choose. Because you do
not know what to choose. Because you keep trying to figure out what’s “best” for
you. Because you want guarantees ahead of time that all your choices will be “good.” And
because you keep changing your mind!
Let me see if I understand. I shouldn’t try to figure Out what’s best for me?
“Best” is a relative term, depending on a hundred variables. That makes choices very
difficult. There should be only one consideration when making any decision—Is this a statement
of Who I Am? Is this an announcement of Who I Choose to Be?
All of life should be such an announcement. In fact, all of life is. You can allow that announcement
to be made by chance or by choice.
A life lived by choice is a life of conscious action. A life lived by chance is a life of
Reaction is just that—an action you have taken before. When you “re-act,” what you
do is assess the incoming data, search your memory bank for the same or nearly the same experience,
and act the way you did before. This is all the work of the mind, not of your soul.
Your soul would have you search its “memory” to see how you might create a truly
genuine experience of You in the Now Moment. This is the experience of “soul searching”
of which you have so often heard, but you have to be literally “out of your mind” to do
When you spend your time trying to figure out what’s “best” for you, you are doing
just that: spending your time. Better to save your time than to spend it wastefully.
It is a great time-saver to be out of your mind. Decisions are reached quickly, choices are
activated rapidly, because your soul creates out of present expe-rience only, without review,
analysis, and criticism of past encounters.
Remember this: the soul creates, the mind reacts.
The soul knows in Its wisdom that the experience you are having in This Moment is an experience sent
to you by God before you had any conscious awareness of it. This is what is meant by a “pre-
sent” experience. It’s already on the way to you even as you are seeking it—for
even before you ask, I shall have answered you. Every Now Moment is a glorious gift from God.
That’s why it is called the present.
The soul intuitively seeks the perfect circumstance and situation now needed to heal wrong thought
and bring you the rightful experience of Who You Really Are.
It is the soul’s desire to bring you back to God—to bring you home to Me.
It is the soul’s intention to know itself experien-tially—and thus to know Me. For the
soul understands that You and I are One, even as the mind denies this truth and the body acts out
Therefore, in moments of great decision, be out of your mind, and do some soul searching instead.
The soul understands what the mind cannot con-ceive.
If you spend your time trying to figure out what’s “best” for you, your choices
will be cautious, your decisions will take forever, and your journey will be launched on a sea of
If you are not careful, you will drown in your expec-tations.
Whew! That’s quite an answer! But how do I listen to my soul? How do I know what I’m
The soul speaks to you in feelings. Listen to your feelings. Follow your feelings. Honor your
Why does it seem to me that honoring my feelings is precisely what has caused me to get into
trouble in the first place?
Because you have labeled growth “trouble,” and standing still “safe.”
I tell you this: Your feelings will never get you into “trouble,” because your feelings
are your truth.
If you want to live a life where you never follow your feelings, but where every feeling is filtered
through the machinery of your Mind, go right ahead. Make your decisions based on your Mind’s
analysis of the situation. But don’t look for joy in such machinations, nor for celebration of
Who You Truly Are.
Remember this: True celebration is mindless.
If you listen to your soul you will know what is “best” for you, because what is best
for you is what is true for you.
When you act only out of what is true for you, you speed your way down the path. When you create an
experience based on your “now truth” rather than react to an experience based on a
“past truth,” you produce a “new you.”
Why does it take so much time to create the reality you choose? This is why: because you have not
been living your truth.
Know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.
Yet once you come to know your truth, don’t keep changing your mind about it. This is your
mind trying to figure out what’s “best.” Stop it! Get out of your mind. Get back
to your senses!
That is what is meant by “getting back to your senses.” It is a returning to how you
feel, not how you think. Your thoughts are just that—thoughts. Mental constructions.
“Made up” creations of your mind. But your feelings—now they are real.
Feelings are the language of the soul. And your soul is your truth.
There. Now does that tie it all together for you?
Does this mean we are to express any feeling—no matter how negative or destructive?
Feelings are neither negative nor destructive. They are simply truths. How you express your truth